Help, curiosity and wisdom

How can we inspire people to change in area’s where they are not winning?
KD: We can get them to relate their actions in their present life today to the actions they had when they were very successful and happy. When they can make the connection between now and then, they can modify their present life to recapture those attitudes and thoughts, and once again achieve success.

Why do people lose their concept of helping and being helped?
KD: A person backs off help when they get caught in failed help. They reached out to help someone and the other person says ‘Sorry it didn’t work.’ After a certain amount of these experiences, they become a victim of what I call failed help, and when this happens, help means loss to them. It becomes an incompleted action.

Do you think that’s a problem in society?
KD: It’s a major problem. Because then they are not willing to help other people and it’s not long before they stop trying to help themselves. It’s the condition of failed help.

How does a person attain or increase their wisdom and understanding?
KD: They just start to listen very carefully to the child in themselves and the child in others. The human spirit. The simple desire to enjoy life and to share that enjoyment with other people. Motivating other people to play a game with them where they both share in the rewards is also a key. These rewards are happiness, satisfaction, persistence with a purpose, certainty, confidence and joy.

How do you define understanding?
KD: Understanding is just being able to take the significance out of the particular area you’re addressing. When the significance goes, the understanding increases.

In your view, what is the most important quality a person can possess or develop?
KD: Curiosity. An insatiable curiosity will create motivation for an indestructible purpose.

How do you suggest people who’ve lost their curiosity, get it back?
KD: By getting out of what I’ve just said earlier – failed help. Because their basic reason for being born – and they know it when they’re a child is the search for understanding:  A child knows the world’s their oyster – they want to discover the world! And they get so interested and excited in discovering things about the planet and society, their curiosity is extremely high. Unfortunately that curiosity can be misdirected to experience things that are destructive to the life of their body, their brain and their mind. But they can also, with correct stimulation, direct that curiosity towards creating a wonderful life for themselves and the people around them.

Because children love to help don’t they?
KD: Oh yes – they can have help. But they get into failed help too.

Children do?
KD: Oh my word they do. And that’s where the failed help starts: If the parents are fighting, not getting along and not caring about each other the child gets confused. The child wants and needs a family. They are trying to help mum and dad to be happy. If they fail to do that they’ll take sides with mum or dad because there’s not going to be a happy family. There’s going to be sides. So they’ll be allies with dad or mum and then they’ll get into failed help with one or the other. Now eventually, if they become allies with Dad and dad then rejects them, they’ve got nothing. Then they’re stuck in failed help completely as a family.

Recently we’ve seen your public lectures at Parramatta; you seem to be really enjoying yourself when you’re communicating in front of large groups of people. How do you enjoy yourself so much when so many people have fear of communicating publicly – particularly in areas you address where there can be a lot of significance?
KD: What I talk about promotes joy in life – I have to experience how the audience feel about what I am saying, and I’m oriented towards them feeling great. I make sure I’m giving them the kind of communication that will develop their hope, their desire to enjoy their future, to raise their energy level to be able to cope with the negative heavy games around them. Sometimes people lose motivation, they need to be reminded that life can be wonderful and beautiful – why would it be otherwise? We are spirits and we create the life. So why allow something to come in and take that away from us?

You spoke just a moment ago about understanding the audience. How do you do that?
KD: I just create a universe in that audience and I are both share. So it’s not me and then the audience, I’m not impinging anything on the audience. I’m sharing something and they’re sharing something with me. And because they’re sharing it with me, I’ve got the energy to keep sharing it with them. So it’s a two way flow, that is why there is understanding.

What is the one message you are communicating?
KD: Love the child in yourself and love the child in others. Have the child in you and the child in others be your teacher.

Do you think many people actually do that?
KD: I think people have conflict because they try to do that. Their attempts to make the child in themselves and others happy can be very, very strongly influenced by negative thoughts which ignore love and operate purely on a thinking basis.  Alot of intelligence without any understanding whatsoever. This is not wisdom. It’s only by loving the child and understanding and sharing the child in yourself with other people, that you come into the sphere of ‘wisdom’. Outside of that there is no wisdom, just intelligence. Everybody salutes wisdom, but not everybody salutes intelligence.

In your public lecture's around Australia, what do you most commonly talk to
people about?
KD: Themselves. I’m going to talk to them about themselves.

How can you do that when you haven’t even met them yet?
KD: Because a long time ago, I joined the family of man, so they’re my family before I even meet them. They’re my brothers and my sisters and my fathers and my mothers and my aunties and uncles – we’re all one family – we’re a spiritual family. Every man to me is part of my spiritual family. And every woman is part of my spiritual family.

What was your purpose for developing Energy Conversion?
KD: I just thought what am I doing being alive? What am I here for? What can I do that contributes something in this life. I got the ticket into the pictures, what if I never saw the film? So I am part of the picture, a participant in that movie we call life. If I could create a better picture for myself and others, if I could be a better director of the picture that I was engaged in, I’d get alot of agreement. Then I could help people. I think it’s absolutely stupid that people are not extremely happy. To be happy, all you need to do is increase your ability to handle fear and pain and to put it in its right place: In the past. And if you do that, there is nothing to divert us from enjoying life.

Where do you see Energy Conversion going from here?
KD: Energy Conversion is only a vehicle. The wisdom that Energy Conversion rekindles in people is going to spread throughout everyone who gets in touch with it.

KVOICE: Ken Dyers, thank you very much for today’s interview.
KD: Thank you.