Article by Ken Dyers
PERSONAL FREEDOM, UNDERSTANDING AND SPIRITUAL FLOWS

There seems to be a lot of defensiveness in the environment today. Open and engaging communication with people other than those we know well can be rare. Why have people become so defensive?
KD: The reason people become defensive is because of conflict or uncertainty. People are not defensive if they are sure about something, it's only if they are unsure. They feel defensive if they are threatened by something, and we only fear that which we do not understand.

So how can we reduce fear?
KD: We do this by increasing understanding, and we increase understanding by expanding our ability to experience new things. New realities, points of view other than the ones familiar to us. During the course of a lifetime we make decisions that affect our behaviour strongly.  One big one is 'This must never happen again'. Once you have made this decision, you cut yourself off from experiencing so many things because you are resisting them. You cannot understand something when you can no longer willingly experience it.  You will at that point be left with a 'stuck picture' and a reduced awareness of alternatives.
The longer I can hold my attention still on a person or situation, the more I will understand. If I am unwilling to look at something because I am trying so hard to hold it away, I will never understand it, and therefore will be in effect of it. I will have reduced my ability to apply maximum units of attention.

What do you mean by resisting it?
KD: The very fact that you have decided that something must never happen again means you are resisting it, you are keeping it out of your personal space, and that takes effort. As a result you are giving it energy because you constantly have your attention on it. And the reactive mind tends to justify the motives for making these decisions.
If on the other hand through Energy Conversion, a person remembers these decisions or considerations and experiences the energy that they first felt at the time, they can free up their ability to experience anything they want. They can get the joy back that is the freedom to experience life.

Developing the ability to experience more realities would be an attractive proposition for most people, but what about those realities that challenge us – a lot of people resist any reality that challenges them. Why is that?
KD: They think they would be overwhelmed by that reality, because at some point in their life, as a child, they probably were. But they are different now, they are no longer a child, they have changed. Their ability to handle energy has increased. Any reality you consider you are not able to match, energy wise, you will be in effect of.
When we are young, as a baby, our energy field is very light. We are highly aware and sensitive to energy – particularly light energies like joy and love and the magic of life. If we are subjected to heavier energies enough like the anger an adult can use, we may get overwhelmed. We start making decisions about 'This must never happen again' from a very young age.

Do you think it's possible, if you're not resistant at all to other viewpoints, can you 100% experience other people's realities?
KD: Yes, because if you don't identify the person with their reality, it's just like reading a book. You could say that's the viewpoint of that book. You don't take their reality personally and become offended and you don't judge it. You don't approve of their reality, you just accept that this is the way they see something. That's the viewpoint of the author of that book.
A person's reality is part intelligence and awareness, and partly purely reactive considerations that have nothing to do with today – they have to do with decisions made in the past. How can you enjoy the present if your attention is on the past? You can't!

How do you define personal freedom?
KD: Personal freedom can only be experienced by a person who creates personal barriers or ethics. You can't have personal freedoms without personal barriers. So that space between your personal barriers – I will do this, I won't do that, I will be this I won't be that, I will have this and I won't have that – is where the freedom lies.
Even an organisation has to establish barriers, otherwise there will be confusion. They have to take a viewpoint that our policy is this and not that. And we will be this and not be that and do this and not do that. Freedom is defined as the freedom to choose.
Not only that, it also enables us to acquire a separateness and a personal beingness as well. Freedoms, ethics and personal beingness are tied up in these considerations.

If we don't resist life, or the viewpoints that life constantly presents us with, what can we expect to happen?
KD: Well, it depends on what you mean by life. Life as we know it is just what it is to us individually. So I don't think I can answer that question because there's not a definitive answer. Can you rephrase the question?

What I'm getting at is the concept of flows, spiritual flows. If we don't resist, then we can get in touch with spiritual flows?
KD: Right.
Communication on a spiritual level involves pictures. You've heard the saying 'a picture tells a thousand words' – well then a thousand pictures replaces a lot of words doesn't it? And that's a summary of spiritual communication, as a spirit you communicate in pictures. We do it all the time but we might not realise that we are doing it. Pictures are being exchanged at a high speed and consciousness is being expanded at that speed in both parties. The words satisfy the minds, and we naturally communicate in pictures. Even a baby does it. Before he can speak he tells his parents what he needs with intention and pictures. It is natural, so natural, but so many people have forgotten.
To get in touch with spiritual flows, you have to stop compulsively thinking. Thinking can be a bad habit to get into if you forget how to stop. The joy of life comes through experiencing, not through thinking.

Where do you see Kenja going from here?
KD: To me Kenja is a bridge. It's a bridge that people can use to move from being controlled by their thoughts and thinking to being able to live on a knowing basis. To increase their spiritual understanding so they're detached from the normal reactive agreements that can exist in society. Then they are able see the big picture of their life and make better long-term decisions.
It's a bridge from thinking to knowing - we help people know how to know.

And my final question to you is what makes you happy?
KD: Other people's happiness. The happiness I create in others makes me happy.

Ken Dyers thank you for this interview – thank you very much.
KD: Thank you.


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