In the Klowning classes you run at Kenja, you talk about establishing an environment where the child-like human spirit can freely express itself. Can you explain what you mean by this?
JH: Well the human will only come out if the energies are light enough. We establish an environment for the duration of the class where there is no put down, no judgement, only the joy and freedom of open and honest communication. This is what Kenja is all about, getting the human to find its voice again. We do this by establishing a basic agreement with everyone in the class that we only use energies in the room that encourage the human to express itself.
Eventually when the human gets stronger, after enough Klowning, it may be able to be there at will. This is when people really get their sense of humour and joy back. Then they can have the simple joy of life a child has, along with the experience they have as an adult.

How do you do this?
JH: What we do is help people to separate or detach from the energy of negativity. We all pick up some negativity along the way, but developing the skill to remove it from the energy field is the key. Through Energy Conversion meditation it is possible to get back to a state where you are free to express yourself openly, and release the potential for creativity that was previously tied up with problems or negativity.
Klowning works in partnership with Energy Conversion. Together with developing a working reality on personal ethics, they make the Kenja training. It's wonderful.
So in Klowning the person, being or 'spirit', rekindles the ability create the energy of joy and fun that encourages the human to come out and communicate. We can regain the joy for life; that unbridled enthusiasm for life that is so natural when we are young.
After doing the meditation, people have gotten rid of a lot of negative energy so then they are in a position again to create an energy the human will respond to. For example: A little child responds to joy, responds to love, responds to a light, joyful energy. What suppresses that little child's growth – the human part of it – is hate, bitterness, anger, resentment – all energies that are classified as 'negative'.
So in a Klowning class, we are becoming more conscious of what it means to create a light, positive energy, and then developing the skill of sustaining that energy. And that's the key: They are sustaining an energy conducive to the human coming out and communicating what it knows about life and people.

You run Klowning classes on a group level. Do you find it more difficult to run a training such as this with many people rather than on an individual basis - because sometimes, in the case of your shows, the cast can be up to a hundred people?
JH: No. I think it helps. If you can get enough people up to the point where they understand the principle of a non-suppressive energy, they in turn influence other people to find alternatives to power and suppressive control. And I think people find that in their everyday life: If somebody in their working environment is capable of sustaining an energy that is creative and positive towards the work that has to be done and is not diverted by the negativity, they get a lot of agreement in their environment. These are the valuable people in our society too – the ones who remain positive and optimistic and in turn, influence others.
If you can picture a whole group of people who are all consciously sustaining a creative energy, you find people who haven't done Klowning for long, come into it and automatically respond to it because this is a spirit's natural ability – it's natural. That's Klowning. People wouldn't respond to it, if it wasn't so. It is natural to be happy. It is natural for the human to be there. So in fact, it actually assists having a lot of people.

So how do people who have done Klowning training translate this ability to maintain a positive viewpoint from a class situation, into their work and daily life?
JH: It depends on the attitude of the individual. In Kenja we help people to help themselves. It is a training that provides people with the ability to get on top of their own lives if they choose to. The concept that somebody can fix your problems assigns cause to that person rather than you. It assumes that individuals are not cause over their own lives. The only way people get permanent, positive leaps forward in their spiritual understanding and evolvement, is if they take responsibility for the change themselves.

Do you think people generally consider that communication is a skill that can be improved?
JH: I don't think you can generalise.
Anybody who's involved in areas of excellence, anybody who's involved in a game that is quite expansive, intrinsically knows it's the understanding of the way they relate to people that enhances what they're doing. They know it is an understanding of the asset of creative communication that leads to success.  So therefore yes, those people are very aware. If you talk to top sportsmen, they'll say their physical ability may be the same as their opponent, but the edge they have is their psychic ability – or you could say, their communication ability.
It's only certain pockets of people who have already agreed they can do nothing about their situation, who therefore fall foul, do not see the value of communication skills. I mean, you can talk about communication skills right across the board, but I think any go-ahead student would really understand that if they want to get a job they've got to understand a little bit about communication.
So the viewpoint that communication skills are not important, is probably a minority today. There are always going to be some pockets in society where people have agreed that they can't do anything about their situation, so therefore they see no purpose in challenging their skill set.

You often talk about energy or intention being even more important than the words we use in a communication. Can you expand on this?

JH: What touches people is a spiritual connection with another person. You never forget someone you have located as a spirit. You will remember them forever.
Just talking is not communication, the words cannot say enough. You need to become aware of what you are saying, on a subtle level, the energy and the pictures that are coming across. Are you promoting positivity?  Are you leaving people in a better space after you have communicated with them – that is, being creative with them.

Do you think life is an adventure – a journey?
JH: Absolutely – I mean you're here for a period of time, what can you do? If you embrace the viewpoint that your potential is infinite and you're only limited by the considerations you've made about yourself, then once you start to get more and more in contact with this and your purpose, it gets very exciting. Very exciting!
You get back in touch with the big game – the spiritual reach and purpose.

What do you mean by spiritual purpose?
JH: Some people are motivated by a sense of purpose, other people are motivated by goals. There is a difference. When people achieve a goal, whether it's making a million dollars or creating a family, they may find they are unfulfilled, that their life is a little bit empty, so they will quickly create another goal, to give themselves something to do. Some people never stop, they jump from one goal to another and they can lose their way in life. Now at that point they either fold or ask some pretty basic questions about why they are here. A spiritual purpose is not a goal, it is outside the physical. It is a very strong alignment and once you get in touch with your purpose you will have a very challenging and satisfying life. I mean, Ken said some time ago at a workshop “When you wake up in the morning, do you ask yourself why are you here? What are you here to do in this lifetime?”

That's  a pretty big question.
JH: And it's one's own reality and constant attempt to answer that question that gets you on track with your purpose.

Why do people have such limits on the amount of joy they are able to experience and what can be done about that?
JH: Come to Kenja! (laughs).
As a child enters the world, joy is natural to him or her – it's not something they learn, it's natural. Deal with healthy kids and you see that. They're full of joy, they're full of love, they're full of magic. They get upset and they pick themselves up again. They naturally achieve – they don't have to do workshops about achieving because they naturally aspire to what they have to do next whether it's walking or talking. They do that with every essence of their being, it's a great adventure life, and healthy, well-balanced adults feel the same way.

Do you think happiness is a state we can hope to achieve from time to time or can it be a permanent thing?
JH: I think people having done Kenja work are showing that it is a natural and permanent state of existence. Look at kids – they feel amazing pain. They are vulnerable. They feel more pain than we do as adults. And yet they sustain an open joyful approach to living. So just look at kids. Cynicism, hopelessness and corruption is unnatural, but we forget that as life goes on, because it is so common.

And where do you see Kenja going from here?
JH: Wherever those people who are co-creating Kenja take it. Kenja has been the creation of so many people over the years. And there are people doing Kenja who are very committed to their own evolution and to using the tools that are here, to evolve. Where they want to take it, is where it will go. It's not my brief or Ken's brief to really take Kenja anywhere. Just to create a space where everybody is growing. What people do with it is really up to them.

What makes you happy?
JH: The adventure and the joy in my life is the happiness I get in co-creating a win with somebody else.  I get joy from being able to share with somebody the freedom they achieve when they get outside the negative considerations that have got them to live a life that's not creative towards their human. That enhances my growth. It's like my own expansion is dependent on the expansion of other people. And that's really the high I get. I mean, my whole life is directed towards this – that's what I do and that's where the joy comes from.
So in other words – and I've heard Ken say this a lot – if you have joy just for yourself that's ok but if you help other people be joyful you've got a lot of happiness around you.

Jan Hamilton, thank you for today's interview.
JH: Thank you!

*co-creating – creating something together

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